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DrupalCamp LA 2009

"Anonymous" Questions for Drupalchix Panel

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Thank you to Crystal Williams, Brenda Boggs, Nicole Bluto and everyone else who participated in the panel discussion from DrupalCampLA! Following are highlights and links to download an audio file from the discussion. Below that is our ongoing conversation. Please participate!

Additionally, Laura Scott from pingVision has written a fantastic blog entry on BlogHer that goes in depth into a number of important questions and previous discussions, as well as including some of her own questions and insights. This is a must-read that links to many other must-reads on this very topic: http://www.blogher.com/where-are-all-women-question-time-open-source

Highlights from the Drupalchix Conversation at DrupalCampLA, 8.9.09

Question:
Why does it matter that there is a low percentage of women in Open Source/Drupal?

Discussion:

  • Any community that is not diverse is not as strong as it could be.

Question:
Why aren’t women visible in the Open Source / Drupal community in greater numbers?

Discussion:

  • Open source has a brutal meritocracy which puts everyone under a high level of scrutiny (it has to have this) – which generates a high barrier for entry. In commercial software, it’s easier to be there and do your thing “quietly.”
  • Look at the contributions in Drupal from women, and the relative to percentage of involvement from women: those women who do contribute have offered a substantial amount to the community.
  • The amount of “free time” required to participate meaningfully (especially when you factor in kids – when women get off from work they don’t have free time).
  • Take a look at the study released on http://www.flosspols.org

Question:
How do we attract and retain women to/in the open source community?

Discussion:

  • Invitations are necessary! Forums, drupalchix, twitter, etc. Clear example of how successful that can be is DrupalCampLA itself!
  • Remove the assumptions that are evidenced by common questions such as “are you in marketing, are you a blogger” – these assumptions are, themselves, a barrier to retention of women in the community.
  • Major solution: increase the number of technical presentations given by women at conferences (DrupalCampLA 2009 did a great job)… note, has to be legit.
  • What about offering childcare at camps and code-sprints or other events?
  • Mentor and be an example for younger women (girls).

Other things that came up:

  • If demeaning stuff is posted on forums or occurs in the community, it needs to be addressed immediately or women will merely lurk at best, and entirely disappear at worst.
  • Use the word “respectful” instead of “protective” when talking creating a mutually inviting atmosphere/community.
  • Do we set our own barrier too high? Women: know that you can help even if you aren’t an expert or don’t think you are.

Files are all available directly from here:
http://www.sunrainproductions.com/news/2009/aug/drupalchix-conversation-…

Direct links to the files:

Edited Sound File (30 minutes):
Ogg Format – 42.4 mb
mp3 Format – 27 mb

Meeting Minutes (very rough, special thanks to Peter Benjamin!):
OpenOffice Document Format – 16 kb
Rich Text Format – 12 mb

These files are available via the Creative Commons Attribution Share-Alike 2.5 General License. Attribution should go to DrupalCampLA 2009 Drupalchix Track. Thanks!

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Are there still issues re: particular groups/ethnicities/cultures etc who have trouble respecting technical females.

I started programming in the early 1990s and most of my teams were approx 70% international. Due to a particular software program we were using, a large majority of the other programmers were either South Asians or Israeli. I found that the Israelis generally respected me straight away, whereas the South Asians required that I earn their respect, and some never treated me equally despite proving time and again that I was not only competent, but one of the stronger members of the team.

I’m pretty far removed from programming and technical projects today so I’m wondering if 1. my account was/is common, 2. an accurate assessment of the situation at the time, and 3. do these kind of “cultural” issues still exist today.

Is it just a matter of time and having more and more women prove themselves as capable. E.g. now that south asia has been such an outsourcing center, and I assume loads of women in the workplace, is it “easier” for women? And are there still other cultures that need to “catch up.”

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Do you tire of hearing, "you're smart AND cute?"

And how do you respond to similar inane remarks?

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do women in the drupal community come to feel uncomfortable?

In conversation last night a male participant mentioned that a few women he truly respects for their contributions to the community started out very active and have, over time, essentially “disappeared.” So the question is: why? Did their lives change direction? Or did they begin to feel uncomfortable at the various events for some reason?

During that same conversation, something came up which made one of the women in attendance feel uncomfortable… something which had been occurring throughout the day and making a few of the women less than comfortable, and seeking each other out for a bit of safety in numbers.

The drupalchix writing this question (yup, I’m a girl :) has felt during her entire involvement with this community that it is very welcoming, safe, fun, and equal. That said, I am also the girl who was part of the conversation, and I am definitely reminded that women have to be aware of subtle behavior in men purely for safety reasons, in a way that men usually do not.

I’m not sure that this question is unique to Drupal or Open Source – rather I think it is a question for any professional community that tends to attract more men than women.

Do many the women in those communities eventually become exposed to enough threatening behavior, in spite of the general awesomeness of the majority, that they leave?

In this question, I want to point to an entertaining yet oh so true “Male Programmer Checklist”
http://lafalafu.com/krc/privilege.html

Some highlights that felt particularly “true” to me when I read it:

  • Having your desk near the entrance to your office without visitors assuming you’re the receptionist.
  • The freedom to make mistakes or say stupid things without worrying about it getting added to the pile of “why women suck at computer stuff”.
  • If you’re married, having people take you to lunch without them speculating on how your spouse would feel about them taking you to lunch.
  • Being treated like a hero if you compromise on work for childcare responsibilities, rather than having your commitment to work questioned.
  • Never being described as a “hot guy” first and a competent professional second.
  • Walking home unafraid after a late-night coding spree.
  • The freedom to discuss the role of gender in programming without people thinking you’re being (a) self-serving, (b) whiny, © bringing politics into realms where it’s not relevant, or (d) all of the above. * A note from the poster: I haven’t experienced this in my involvement with the Drupal community, but I have experienced in plenty of other circumstances!
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luncheon

why do chix have a “luncheon” instead of lunch?

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do people try to register at the drupalchix table because they see girls and assume it's registration?

or is it because of the balloons and flowers?

or is it because it’s the first table?

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Is there really a need?

Is there really a need to try to encourage more women in the community? There seem to be a lot of great women already.

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are women over-critiquing themselves?

A question I’ve always had is if women don’t present themselves as vigorously as men because they are too critical of themselves.

Do we somehow assume we know less than the guys we work with? Do we hold ourselves back because of a lack of self-confidence? A self-gender-judgement?

And if so… how do we get ourselves to step beyond that, to grow a thicker skin against our own self-prejudice?

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What do women contribute?

What (if anything) do women bring to Drupal, open source in general, web development, etc. that men don’t? Is there anything special about women in this particular career field/specialty? Why would we want more women to join the Drupal project? (All right. Thats 3 questions. I’m done!)

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Does being a mom change your ability to interact?

It seems that a lot of women choose web design / development as a career because it enables them to work from home more readily than many other careers.

Does being a “mom” change how a woman is able to interact in the web development world, and what kinds of jobs she is able to get?

How can companies and small shops make it more possible for moms to be equal contributors?

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